Bungi Bill

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  The end is coming on May 2011

  by I need a lot of help in

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  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110103/ap_on_re/us_rel_apocalypse_soon.

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  Bungi Bill

  Harold Camping evidently uses a different calendar to everyone else;

  - one in which May comes sometime after August!

  Bill.
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  The (study) WT November 2011 Makes Me Puke !

  by Hairyhegoat in

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  this study edition is an absolute attack on kids going to higher education, and you all are getting too cosy at home with your sky tv and the internet, get out on the doors you idle dogs.. oh and if you have a good job already you could not be putting the kingdum first !.

  here is some of the crap in the mag, and the article temporary residents in a wicked world.. 10. .

  in view of the imminent end of the present system of things, as jehovahs servants.

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  Bungi Bill

  How many generations of JWs have they preached this same nonsense to now - time they changed the bloody record! (the needle has got itself stuck in this one).

  Has anyone else ever noticed, though, that the JW families who remain with "The Truth" throughout the generations are usually the same ones that give lip service only to this sort of "counsel" from the WTS?

  i.e. the parents usually have a profitable and well established family business (not necessarily a janitorial one, either!), the family is never ever "short of a quid", their children do attend college; and throughout it all, their father remains an elder in the congregation.

  By contrast, the ones that take to heart the official line of the WTS typically get themselves badly hurt, then - but, unfortunately, only then - recognize it for the BS that it is; finally throwing it back in the WTS's face. The only trouble being that by then it is very difficult, if not impossible, to reverse the damage done by swallowing the WTS's line.

  Bill.
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  Can the neo-Babylonian Chronology be Reduced? (Part 1), Carl Olof Jonsson

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  in this article, carl olof jonsson examines the attempts by some who are trying to shorten the chronology and move the reigns of its kings forward in time by hundreds of years.. http://www.jwstudies.com/can_the_neo-babylonian_chronology_be_reduced__part_1__carl_olof_jonsson.pdf.

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  Doug,

  Thanks for the link.

  It would appear that the Neo-Babylonian era was a very well documented period in ancient history. Also, the fact that they wrote on clay tablets - rather than on paper - has ensured the survival of much of this documentation.

  Bill.
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  Questions from JWN readers 1914 & 607 vs 587 (parody)

  by stuckinamovement in

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  2. beliefs

  questions from jwn readers.

  1914 is a date that many people question.

  this is equal to 3.5 lunar years of 360 days.

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  Bungi Bill

  Talk about quote-mining, numerology - and a vivid imagination! Nobody but a dyed-in-the-wool JW would be impressed.

  Bill.
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  Why So Many Young People Are Leaving The Watchtower

  by Jeremy C in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been giving a lot of thought to the young people who are leaving the watchtower organization in recent years.

  last night, i was reading the thread posted by jwfacts a while back in which he provided some statistics and graphs showing the rapidly declining growth in the watchtower.

  one factor that was discussed at length was the high number of young people who do not stay in the organization.

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  Bungi Bill

  In other words, their 130 year old "The Sky is Falling" gig is eventually going to send them to extinction:

  -and it might well be a toss-up as to which will contribute the most to that,

  i.e. interest by the community in the JW charade drying up , or haemorrhaging to death by loss of those already in (particularly the young).

  Roll on the day!

  Bill.
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  Awakes left at work....

  by charlie brown jr. in

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  2. beliefs

  the awake about music was left behind and ended up at the break station... and one of the girls working was reading it and burst out laughing..... are these people serious listen what it says.... after listening to heavy metal music i abused alcohol and started using drugs......... they can't really believe that?

  she asked laughing.......

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  Don't knock it!

  After all, reading those things for four years gives one the equivalent of a college degree!

  (A Bachelor of Stupidity, anyway).

  Bill.
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  Are they going to keep lowering the bar to be appointed an MS or Elder???

  by karter in

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  2. friends

  my mother told me of 2 young guys that have been appointed elders.. i could'nt belive it these guys have zero life experance and both their wifes walked out on them after a few years of marrage.. another one cooked his brain on drugs and his talks are painfull to listen to....all over the place and stumbles through them.. .

  is it due to alot of young ones (60 to 70%) leaving and the pool to pick from is getting smaller so lowering the bar is the only way???

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  Bungi Bill

  Jeremy C,

  You are quite correct, the whole JW thing is about Salvation by Report Card.

  In their skewed way of prioritising matters, the main (or even only?) measure of a person's "spirituality" is that numeral appearing in the "Total Hours" column of the Monthly Report form. Never mind that this figure can just as easily be a bogus one (by the admission of many who post here on this Discussion Board).

  So, yes, it is marvellous what an impressive total of monthly hours will achieve:

  - conversely, any brother with low Field Service Hours has the proverbial "Snow flake's chance on a hot shovel" of ever making Elder or Ministerial Servant.

  Further proof, if it were needed, that the WTS is just a book publishing company hiding behind the facade of religious virtue.

  Bill.
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  What to say when a jw says that all bibles are the same.

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

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  Bungi Bill

  When the JWs make remarks like that, they are using weasel talk in order to try and worm their way in. If events were to progress from there and a member of the public agree to accept the offer of a "free home bible study", they would soon find that all bibles are not necessarily the same.

  I well remember what happened when my parents agreed to a "free home bible study" with the JWs. The pioneer brother conducting the study handed out New World Translations to everyone involved, saying that he was "tired of hearing the King James Version always being quoted." My mother was not impressed, being quite proud of her KJV bible - which had originally belonged to her grandfather.

  Bill.
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  Does mankind need religon to have morality?

  by highdose in

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  an arguement i've encountered recently is: god tells us right from wrong.

  if you don't have a reason to do right instead of wrong then no one will have any morals.. i disagree with this entirely of course.

  what kind of morality is it when you are only doing what is right out of fear of being punished for doing what is wrong?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Further to the track record of some of the more notorious political leaders that have been mentioned:

  - political extremism often takes on an almost religious dimension ("Heil Hitler", "The Thoughts of Mao", larger than life sized posters of Stalin, Mao Tse Tung etc.)

  Then, once again, people can be easily manipulated into performing what otherwise would be classed as atrocities.

  Steven Weinberg put it perfectly, "but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."

  - bearing in mind that "religion" has many forms, some quite overt, others more covert.

  Bill.
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  Why So Many Young People Are Leaving The Watchtower

  by Jeremy C in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been giving a lot of thought to the young people who are leaving the watchtower organization in recent years.

  last night, i was reading the thread posted by jwfacts a while back in which he provided some statistics and graphs showing the rapidly declining growth in the watchtower.

  one factor that was discussed at length was the high number of young people who do not stay in the organization.

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  Bungi Bill

  I always give my father full marks for resisting the pressure from his newly-converted JW mother. She tried to place the heat on him to rear us three children "In the Truth." To his credit, my father saw through that one, and refused ( It only took his attending one Circuit Assembly talk to see the futility of forcing small children to sit through the mind knumbing JW meeting attendance routine).

  At least my two sisters and I were able to have a more interesting childhood than those unfortunates who were raised as JWs!

  All I can say is that the Witnesses do well to hang onto even that small minority of born-ins that they do manage to retain:

  - the miracle is that all those born-in do not give it away as soon as they can do so.

  Bill.